with 2-3 small (ie 4-5 people), who wants to explore the for half of a year in the near future (before starts for our oldest kid). . to pay for the loan. Hence owning instead of chartering. will also be extremely tight, namely strictly limited to 200k , assuming a bank is willing to accept a 30% (60k )down-payment, and the rest spread over 10 years or so.
Here are the we have explored
The with options will fall just into our before VAT. Since we will be handing the yacht to a management after her first season, we are ok with having her VAT not paid.
The pros are , etc) due to its size time lines up rather well with our travel plan. The cons are in terms of quality as compared to big brands (Lagoon, FP). , eg. monolithic polyester, Nanni saildrives. The alternative to that would be a .
The pros are to run around. The cons are
Because we are , we will take any input from you into consideration. Also because we are , we lack certain common senses that are the shared among the community. Hence try not to speak sarcastically. Try to spell it out for us.
Thanks,
20-06-2019, 15:33 | |
Boat: Lagoon 380 S2 | ? maybe a house you can get a mortgage on?). Boat loans aren't mainstream in and may be hard to get! Check if you can find a charter base in the willing to charter a 10yo cat for another 10 years. Or willing to charter a tiny Aventura. That is for sure possible but again not mainstream and the deals to be had may not be favourable. Think hard if you really want to be in the charter business. If its because you honestly can't afford the boat then maybe its not a smart idea. Going with a VAT unpaid boat imposes a certain risk of being charged VAT plus fines, and spending weeks / months chained to a filthy . I don't think this is likely to happen, but if they get you its a big chunk to swallow and the holiday is ruined. Can you afford to pay 30-35% of boat value on a short notice? Not really a likely thing to happen, but still... You seem to think the Aventura will be delivered on time, in budget, turnkey and hassle free. I have no experience with but I have some doubts. A will eat lots of time and - they all do. Think how easy the boat will sell on a short notice. Say you run into financial troubles towards the end of the trip and you need a quick exit. Which one sells quicker and for a more predictable : Aventura or FP/Lagoon/Leopard? I'd suggest to go with a smaller FP / / . For 2 (or 3) kids and also for chartering a or small sounds ideal. FP Mahe would be big enough, but won't charter well (too few beds & to few heads). Bigger will be out of reach for you, or already very old and in need of (and out of budget once refitted). Budget... You need to figure out a total budget for your sabatical. Not only for the boat but for running it, daily expenses, funds to return back home, funds to keep the boat somewhere after the trip (for a you can spend anywhere between 4k and 20k per year just for a mooring). And don't forget emergencies... Say a month into the trip you have to spend 4 weeks in an expensive marina in season to get an rebuilt. 5000 for the , 3000 for the marina (exactly what happened to us). Can you handle that without issues? Plus maybe some other unforeseen mishaps that _will_ happen? Actually I don't think you should try to finance unless you have particular reasons to do that. Not having saved hard enough is not a smart reason. Hoping that the stock market will continue to outpace loan interest is not a smart reason. Actually the only reason I can think of is all tied into real estate that is generating very good income. Be honest to yourself and think very hard if you can really afford that plan - even if things go wrong. If the answer is no then consider alternatives. Maybe go with a small / boat that you can easily afford without having to charter it. Does it have to be a cat? I know that its nice to picture yourself aboard a nice modern cat, and a sailing cat is surely nice for long distance travels and in regions with lots of space. But realistically the has expensive (or no at all), very tight spaces even at , very little / too much so sailing doesn't happen as often as hoped for, ... Most are very expensive in season (a 380 will easily cost 150 Euro per night in high season, or much more in prime locations) and often there is no space available at all for a cat. So you have to stay at most of the time. And constantly watch the and move if does not allow you to stay - even at night. With small kids this can be a challenge. Spending half a year in the med onboard is only feasible in season. Say May to October, maybe April to November but that can be nasty already. Outside that timeslot its too cold / miserable / wet / windy to with small kids. Think how this fits for your time constraints for the oldest kid and . Maybe postpone elementary school for a year (not a problem typically). How do I know? Back in 2010 we bought a 410, in 2011/2012 we sailed the Med and the for 11 months, and the boat there to fly back home. Back then we had 2 pre-school kids. |
20-06-2019, 23:41 | |
Boat: dream of one | . After seeing your comments/opinions, that got us rethink carefully. To be prepared for the unexpected, I guess we cannot afford the extra comfort at the moment. Instead we will look for a well-kept used in the 100k Euro range, and leave some cash to spend during our journey. May I follow up on a couple extra questions? would be convenient? Shallow is quite hard to come by, and it is usually still in the range of 1.7m ? Many thanks again for sharing your experience/opinions. |
20-06-2019, 23:57 | |
for half a year without sailing experience seems like a really really bad idea. It’s just too much hassle and you will spend considerably more than you initially thought. Just charter for a few weeks at a time and/or buy a for in . | |
21-06-2019, 03:43 | |
Boat: Lagoon 380 S2 | . If you charter a 380 in season you will burn through your budget at an insane rate. For us our 11mo trip turned out to cost very little: Under 20k Euro for living expenses, , flights, , etc. We are frugal and spent very little on shore. The only boat related costs included here are mooring, and items enough that we haven't tracked them separately. Any bigger items we accounted as boat costs instead. The boat itself came out even, as we bought a true bargain. Between and selling we made good 15k Euro which covered the and bills during our 18mo . At the end we in a direct no-broker deal and came out within 1k of our cost base. But: That required a lot of , and a lot of luck. Imagine we had bought the boat at fair market price and sold her using a . Fair price in 2010 would have resulted in roughly 15k deprecation, plus 15k & maintenance, and another 15k fee. So being unlucky / lazy the cost could have been 45k Euro instead. I can't comment on monos. Space is very different already between a 400 and a 380. But I have no clue how big a mono needs to be to give similar room. Maybe 45-50ft to match a Lagoon 380? .. depends where you are. From November to March you will probably run a heater frequently at daytime, depending where you are (sun helps a lot!). Night time is a different story. But with really small kids you should have a heater ready for anything but summer. Imagine a kid is ill and you have to stuff him in a cold with no way of for days. Everything will be wet and cold from moisture. Bad idea. Even if you stretch your budget you can not affort the comfort level you want. a boat to go sailing while your income is reduced significantly sounds like a risky idea to me. If you are honest about your plans and finances no bank will give you a boat loan anyway. To do a 6mo trip on a nice 200k catamaran I would need 250k cash as an absolute minimum, plus enough income to cover my living expenses. Others may want more or less. With 60k cash I would be looking at 30-40k . That leaves a small cushion for troubles and will probably buy you a , or a , or some other older cat or mono. Of course this is more camping style than luxury cruising but 60k is not a luxury budget in the world. an RV may be smarter for a 6mo trip - lower risk, lower cost, easier to get in and out. At the end you can park it somewhere, while a boat will continue to cost lots of money until sold. |
21-06-2019, 05:49 | |
Boat: dream of one | from time to time. Our fugality is second to none. If you could managed 20k for 11 months, we can possibly do 10k for 4 months. And the rest of the time in a little . Perhaps one more question. If we are looking to acquire an owner's yacht (not excharter), when would be the best time of the year? A 30-40 footer with lifting may fit our bill. Cheers, |
21-06-2019, 06:03 | |
Boat: Lagoon 380 S2 | , and the toddler can sleep in the parent's . More than that is optional IMO. If you can live in a California then even a 30ft sailboat is big enough. Think out of the box, like this one: Maybe its possible to travel the canals to the Med? Or this one: Just big enough. Keep in mind: Cost grows exponentially with . As for best time to buy, I think nobody knows. There are several conflicting theories. Many people say early in as people just received their invoices reminding them that and mooring are costly. Others say that towards the end of the season is when best deals come out. But on the other hand buying a boat in the middle of the season may also be smart as most buyers already have different plans for the summer, and no time to visit boats. I just don't know. Don't be too concerned about . In the med its more important to have enough chain than to have . You are not allowed to anchor close to the beach anyway. |
21-06-2019, 06:59 | |
10m (similar size) for a few years in . It was older and not as snazzy as the Adventura parked across the way from us but it was 25k rather than 200k . You are pretty much guaranteed to lose 25k the second they hand you the keys, so even if we walked away completely from the Catalac, we would still be ahead. It will go all the same places and when you (or the kids) put a scratch in it...it's just another scratch not a huge emotional impact. With 60k cash, you could buy a similar boat and keep 20-30k in reserve to cover issues and debt free which will take a lot of the stress off. Then when you know what you want, you can upgrade later. PS: We know a few people who bought new cruising boats...there are still a lot of costs and problems. Even if the problems are covered under warranty, there usually isn't a time limit for repairing them. We had friends on the lose an entire season waiting for warranty . Do you want to risk that for your sabbatical? | |
22-06-2019, 15:00 | |
Boat: dream of one | option. May I also ask how long it took you to acquire and sell a boat? Say from 1st contacting selling to paying everything, and from 1st listing the ad to receive money. As we are stepping into mid-season, I guess we need to look harder now. @valhalla360 I understand the "baby illness" from new yachts. However, overly old yachts have others problems to be ironed out. For us, it may be more comfortable to take a loan, get a newish used yacht in the 100k range. After our season, it will be guaranteed to be easy to sell or to charter. : 30-40 footer major brand with shallow/lifting keel. |
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