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As I look towards spring and start to get the new to me boat ready I noticed that my airmar thru hull transducer has a flapper on the thru hull when I pull it so an extra plug can be quickly swapped into it so the knotmeter paddle wheels can be cleaned. Great, seems like a great idea. However, my flapper is cracked and is missing about 1/4 to 1/3 of the plastic flap. I assume the PO left it installed with some water stuck in there during the cold winters we get on lake michigan and the water expanded when it turned to ice and cracked the flap. My question is: will this missing portion warrant me unable to do the swap if the paddle wheel needs to be cleaned? I know they also sell a similar type without this flapper valve but I'm not sure if that is meant for a retractable unit as you'd get much more water ingress without the flapper. Do paddle wheels need to ve cleaned very often in the cool fresh water of lake michigan? Weighing my options whether I should replace the thru hole before I launch or not (in between all of my other tasks I have to do before launch of course...ha!) Another option might be to just let it ride this year and if the wheel gums up I can go without a speed indicator until next year. Any advice greatly appreciated!  

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I found that in salt water LIS the paddle wheel fouls VERY (too) quickly. Best practice is to insert only when underway... so the flay anti valve is a good idea... you still have water to clean up... but it's manageable.  

Boat owners near me only talk about pulling the sensor before they get hauled out in the fall so the slings don't damage it. I'm on Lake Michigan as well. I don't think it's as much an issue here. I could be wrong though. I don't have personal experience. I've just listened to the stories of others intentionally opening a 1-1/2" hole in their boat.  

It's not uncommon for the flap stick a bit open, from being fouled anyway, so I wouldn't rush to change it. Think about it next time you're hauled, if it lets too much water in. I think you need to break the seal and replace the whole fixture, so I'd probably avoid it, unless truly necessary. Have you ever done this swap in the water? First time gets your heart racing, but it's like seeing blood. Looks far worse that it is. Have the opposite plug in your other hand, as you pull one out. It's not going to be pushed back like a fire hose, so focus on getting it seated and don't worry about cranking the retainer ring, until you have it snuggly in. Good idea to lubricate the orings with silicon grease too, once or twice per year. Think about cleaning the paddle wheel and applying some MDR tranducer paint on it. It extends the fouling notably. Nothing better than actually moving regularly too. In RI, I can get away with leaving the transducer in (with paint on it), until late June or early July, as the water is mostly cold and clear. Once it warms, I need to pull it weekly. The transducer paint allows me to sometimes get away with bi-weekly, if I've been sailing enough.  

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Hello, I guess I don't understand your question. I have had units with the flapper and units without. When I go to clean my speed paddle wheel I remove the transducer and insert a blank plug (or wooden plug on one of my older boats). The only difference between the flapper and no flapper is how much water comes into the boat. With the flapper I get a few ounces of water in the boat. Without the flapper I would get more water, but less than a gallon. The main difference (to me) is that with the flapper I can take my time inserting the plug. Without the flapper I would be ready to QUICKLY put the plug in. I would not go through the trouble of changing anything just because of the flapper. To be honest, my speed fouls quickly and I only clean it if I'm going on a long trip or have an important race. Otherwise I ignore it. The speed display of 0 bothers me, but not enough to make me clean the wheel. Barry  

Appreciate everyone's reply! I was basically looking to tap the knowledge bank of the sailnet community as I've never owned my own boat and never had to perform the change out. Definitely seemed like it would he a scary thing to do the first time. I mean who wants to purposely open up a hole in their boat. I figured the flap was 100% necessary but it sounds like it is just a nice to have feature. Base of the responses it sounds like if im quick I shouldn't have any issues even if the flap is slightly cracked. The antifouling paint sounds like a great idea too. I'll just buy some spare o-rings for the transducer and plug and get ready to sail! Thanks again!  

EngiNerd said: The antifouling paint sounds like a great idea too. I'll just buy some spare o-rings for the transducer and plug and get ready to sail! Click to expand...

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The first few times you swap the transducer in and out of the boat without the flapper might be alarming, as you see a small water spout spewing water into your boat. Test and make sure your bilge is functioning before you make the swap happen. Not that you will sink so much as you don't want that water sitting in your bilge any longer than it has to. Also, be as patient as you can, make sure when you begin tightening the transducer that you do have it lined up correctly and that you are not tearing the top threads simply because it was misaligned and you didn't notice it. Mine is not in a particularly friendly location, so I am forced to come at it a little awkwardly.  

GlanRock said: Not that you will sink so much as you don't want that water sitting in your bilge any longer than it has to. Click to expand...
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What is a transducer on a boat

What is a Transducer on a Boat?

A transducer is a device that converts energy from one form to another. The most common use for a boat transducer is to convert electrical signals to sound waves so people can “hear” the signal with listening devices called hydrophones. Some transducers, like the depth finder on your watch, also generate electrical signals.

How Does a Boat Transducer Work?

A boat transducer uses the physical characteristics of water to convert electrical signals into sound or back again. It is made up of three main parts: a case, an internal diaphragm, and piezoelectric crystals surrounding the inside rim of the bell-shaped case.

Different Types of Transducers

The two most common types of transducers are piezoelectric and magnetostriction. A piezoelectric transducer uses thin, strong crystals that produce electrical signals when subject to pressure. They are often referred to as ceramic or hydrostatic transducers. Magnetic transducers use the force of magnetism to create an electrical signal. They are referred to as magnetic, planar, or permanent transducers.

Magnetic transducer vs piezoelectric transducer

A common question is what type of boat transducer should I get? In reality, there are many factors that go into that decision but they are two of the main factors.

Magnetic transducers are somewhat more common on boats, but they can be a bit harder to install. They also require a battery or an electrical connection. With a piezoelectric transducer, you have the option of powering it with your vehicle’s electrical system.

A magnetic transducer is generally cheaper than a piezoelectric transducer. The prices for both types of boat transducers are comparable, depending on the intended use and how effective you want it to be.

Benefits of Installing a Transducer

Installing a boat transducer is generally fairly easy. The hardest part is finding the right spot on your boat to install it since you need access to enough water to work with and space for the transducer itself. Freshwater fishing boats will have no problem installing a freshwater fishing transducer of any type. However, if you are going to be doing ocean fishing a fish finder might not even work because of the motion of the boat and any waves that are present.

As far as advantages or disadvantages go, installing a transducer is an advantage for safety purposes. If you are going to be fishing in unfamiliar areas, a transducer will help you see how deep the water is and where any underwater hazards are present.

A boat transducer will give you a better idea of what conditions to expect so that you can prepare properly. It will also help you catch more fish and enjoy your time on the water even more.

Even if you are not great at fishing, a transducer will make your trip more relaxing and less tense. You can have fun and enjoy yourself without worrying about whether or not you will catch any fish that day.

The importance of using the right type of transducer antenna for your boat’s size and location

This is an antenna that comes with a transducer for freshwater fishing boats. It is designed to help you catch fish and find the right location where they are hiding.

The type of antenna that goes along with it depends on your boat’s size, depth capabilities, and intended use. If you do lots of ocean fishing or deep water fishing, you are better off investing in a transducer that has a longer wavelength.

If you are going to be fishing in the rivers and lakes, then you might want to invest in a shorter wavelength that can reach shallower depths yet still be accurate enough for your needs.

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03-06-2023, 18:51  
inside the . No , very thick, solid . I wanted to replace a sometimes malfunctioning but the new ones are a slightly larger diameter so require a larger hole. It's installed in the stem where the glass is very thick (4") and Air Mar who makes the transducer for B & G doesn't make a longer stemmed version. It's a bit short so I thought I would try installing it inside. I have seen where people bond it to the with a blob of silicone.

Anyone tried this or have any other thoughts on this?
03-06-2023, 19:54  
however! Are you SURE that's right??

Many use inside the hull designs.
03-06-2023, 21:06  
meant that they counterbored the hole on the inside 1/2" to allow the big nylon nut on the inside to reach the upper threads on the transducer stem.

I would be mounting the transducer inside but to Stbd so the thickness nay be 1/2-5/8". She is 40 ft and built to Lloyds specs.
04-06-2023, 08:34  
Boat: Mascot 28 pilothouse motorsailer 28ft



Recommend you install ducer 1/3-1/2 length back from bow-to avoid air bubbles from waves.
Read other suggestions:
04-06-2023, 09:55  



Recommend you install ducer 1/3-1/2 length back from bow-to avoid air bubbles from waves.
Read other suggestions:
04-06-2023, 11:24  
, very thick, solid fiberglass. I wanted to replace a sometimes malfunctioning transducer but the new ones are a slightly larger diameter so require a larger hole. It's installed in the stem where the glass is very thick (4") and Air Mar who makes the transducer for B & G doesn't make a longer stemmed version. It's a bit short so I thought I would try installing it inside. I have seen where people bond it to the hull with a blob of silicone.

Anyone tried this or have any other thoughts on this?
04-06-2023, 11:44  
Boat: 1998 Catalina 320
ring from the store works wonderfully.


Clean a flat spot on the hull with alcohol, then wad up a chunk of the wax and stick it. Then stick the transducer into the wax. It will never move unless you scrape off the wax.


The good thing about wax is that it is easier to move the transducer if you guess wrong on the first try.



is difficult to move; silicone can be messy. Placing the transducer in liquid in a PVC fitting means you have to remember to refill it now and then.
04-06-2023, 12:44  
Boat: 2019 Seawind 1160 Lite
with a cone of silicone. Press and move into place to avoid bubbles. Worked excellent in each install. And would be easy to remove if problematic.
04-06-2023, 12:46  
Boat: Morgan OI 413 1973 - Aythya
filled plastic bag. I later glassed them in within a cut ring of PVC pipe; however, I do like Shanachie's wax ring plan. That's a great idea and easily tested with a piece of the wax.
04-06-2023, 13:41  
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04-06-2023, 14:14  
Boat: Hinckley Bermuda 40
it would read before I tried the silicone-in-a-bowl trick was 500 ft., while after I did the silicone thing the max range was 200 ft. It was accurate as near as I could tell in all other respects. Needless to say, except for contour , it’s the short end of the range I worry about.
04-06-2023, 16:12  
Boat: 1962 Columbia 29 MK 1 #37
just fine.
 
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30 Ways To Sink a Boat { …and 29 to prevent it }

  • By Daniel W. Long
  • Updated: September 20, 2017

Boating Writers International 11th Annual Writing Contest – Daniel W. Long’s “30 Ways to Sink A Boat” won 1st place in the Boat/Engine Care Maintenance Category.

Remember the time you were running through the bay and heard a thump from below? Wasn’t that fun? No? Did it stir up that dreaded boating moment-the fear of sinking? No one likes to imagine such a thing happening. Yet every year thousands of us unwittingly experience that shiver of fright-and hundreds of us take it a step further by actually sinking.

• Billions of dollars worth of fiberglass sits on the ocean floor, mostly because it’s so easy to stop a boat from floating. You don’t even have to meet and greet a rock to get a one-way ticket down. In fact, you don’t have to do anything. Just let your boat sit awhile, and eventually it will find the bottom. According to BoatUS, the largest insurer of pleasureboats in the country, for every boat that sinks at sea, four go down in their slips.

30 Ways To Sink a Boat

30 Ways To Sink a Boat

• To find out why, we asked around the docks, checked insurance records, and talked to boatyard owners. Here are the top 30 preventable disasters. Not interested? Okay. But know that the cost of repairing a boat that’s done an underwater disappearing act is usually 40 percent of its total value. Now that we have your wallet’s attention, read on.

1. Stern Drive Bellows

What Happened: The rubber dried and cracked. Water seeped past the gimbal bearing and poured into the boat because the bottom of the gearcase cutout was well below the waterline.

What You Should Have Done: Store your stern drive in the down position when out of the water to avoid the bends and creases that stress rubber. Inspect the bellows two or three times a year and replace it annually.

2. Scuppers in the Fall

What Happened: The scuppers got clogged with leaves. Although this won’t seal the drains, it can greatly slow the release of water. In a heavy rain the cockpit can fill enough to weigh down the boat so it floods or accumulates enough water to reach non-waterproof openings in the deck and fill the bilge.

What You Should Have Done: Keep the cockpit covered, or have wide-mesh external screens made to protect the scuppers.

3. Scuppers in the Winter

What Happened: White stuff fell and ice built up around the scuppers, filling them in. Since this occurs under the snow, you can’t see it. The good news is that once the boat sinks, the ice will melt.

What You Should Have Done: Haul out for the winter, or have a waterproof, reinforced cover that can take the weight of accumulated snow. Don’t treat your boat like your mother-in-law: Visit it often.

4. Scuppers Anytime

What Happened: A piece of plumbing corroded, cracked, or just gave up. The weakest link is the hose that can crack, most often around the stress points created by the clamps.

What You Should Have Done: While the boat is on land, check the hoses by flexing them back and forth. If there are any cracks, replace the hoses.

5. Hose Clamp Failed

What Happened: A hose attached to a seacock below the waterline, or a through-hull just above it, came off its fitting because the hose clamps gave way.

What You Should Have Done: Secure each hose with two clamps where it passes over the fitting’s nipple. Check that the clamps are all stainless steel (a magnet won’t attract stainless). Often, the tightening gear and its case are mild steel, which rusts away.

6. Trapped Under a Dock

What Happened: You tied up the boat at low tide. The wind pushed part of the boat under the dock, the tide came up, and the boat became trapped beneath the dock, then sank.

What You Should Have Done: This can happen when the pilings supporting the dock are too far apart to keep the boat parallel to the dock and out from under it. No matter how many docklines you rig, this will be a problem. If you can’t dock somewhere else, set anchors out from the bow and stern so the boat won’t swing.

7. Tied Down, Tide Up

What Happened: At low tide, your bow and stern lines were tight. When the tide came up, the lines stayed that way-firmly holding the boat down as the water rose.

What You Should Have Done: Long spring lines attached at acute angles to the boat adjust as the boat rises and falls. Bow and stern lines may have to be tended as the tide goes through its cycle.

8. Stuffing Box

What Happened: The packing gland surrounding the propshaft loosened. Or perhaps it rotted away as it hadn’t been replaced for many seasons.

What You Should Have Done: Dripless shaft seals that require minimal maintenance are used by 90 percent of today’s boatbuilders. But many boaters still use old-fashioned stuffing boxes on the rudder shafts. Check stuffing boxes often, and beware.

9. Damage From Dock

What Happened: The wind started to blow, pounding the boat against the dock until a hole appeared.

What You Should Have Done: Tie up on the downwind side of the dock so the wind holds you away from the structure. Fenders would help. Use the round-ball type when up against a flat surface such as a concrete seawall. Use fender boards, a heavy board suspended between two fenders, when you’re against pilings.

10. Dockside Water Pressure

What Happened: An internal freshwater hose burst from the pressure of dockside municipal water.

What You Should Have Done: Shut off the water at the dock when you leave the boat.

11. Freshwater Flooding

What Happened: A fitting fails in the freshwater system. Thinking a tap has been opened, the pump senses a reduction in hose pressure and turns on the supply water-bad news if you’re hooked up to dockside water, which will keep pumping into the bilge.

What You Should Have Done: Never leave the boat without shutting off the water at the dock. This way, if a fitting or hose fails, you’ll pump only the water in your tank into the bilge. Better yet, disconnect the hose from your boat. Any moron walking down the dock could turn on the hose if it’s connected.

12. Generator Cooling Intake

What Happened: The hose cracked, water flooded, boat sank. I hope you’re picking up a pattern here about hoses.

What You Should Have Done: Use series 135 heavy-duty water hose-no exceptions. It resists chafe, is reinforced to prevent collapsing, and has a working pressure of up to 200 psi. Wiggle the hose where it meets fittings to look for cracks. Rub a damp cloth along it. If there are black marks on the rag, the hose is deteriorating.

13. Head Intake

What Happened: An unprotected head-intake hose running through the engine room bulkhead chafed, then failed.

What You Should Have Done: Do your hoses make as few bends and turns as possible? They should be secured tightly and padded where appropriate.

14. Head Intake II

What Happened: The water-fill hose connecting the outside of the hull to the head crapped out. The head, being below the waterline, filled and so did the boat.

What You Should Have Done: Besides maintaining the hoses and clamps, make sure the boatbuilder has left easy access to the inlet’s seacock. Make it a policy that when you leave the boat, you shut all the seacocks. Then, if a hose fails, it’s no big deal.

15. Head Discharge

What Happened: The one-way joker valve on the head’s discharge got something in it. You were smart enough to run the discharge hose above the waterline to keep water out but not smart enough to remember how a siphon works. Trying to siphon the full contents of the Atlantic Ocean, your boat soon sinks.

What You Should Have Done: To prevent a reverse flow, when you run any hose above the waterline, remember to install a vented loop fitting at the top of the loop. This lets air in to prevent a siphon. Use fittings that let you disassemble the valve each season to make sure it’s clear and working.

16. Check-Valve Backflow

What Happened: Since the through-hull is mounted so low to the waterline, a clever mechanic put a one-way check valve on your bilge pump’s exhaust hose to keep the sea out. Too bad it didn’t.

What You Should Have Done: Check valves are unreliable and can get stuck open. Route the pump’s exhaust hose as high as possible to a through-hull near the rubrail. If it must go to a low outlet, run the hose up inside the boat as high as possible, install an anti-siphon valve at the top of the loop, and run it to a seacock that you can close.

17. Ice in Sea Strainer

What Happened: When it was time to winterize, you put antifreeze everywhere except in the strainer at the raw-water intake. Then you left the boat with the seacocks open. The water in the strainer froze, expanded, and cracked the strainer. Water came in and the boat went down.

What You Should Have Done: Close the seacock and open the strainer’s drain plug to empty it of water. Then fill the hose and strainer with anti-freeze, because you never get all the water out and it’s better to be safe.

18. Plastic Through-Hulls I

What Happened: The cheap ones that came with the boat got brittle from ultraviolet light and gave way from the weight of the hose. Or maybe the hose barb cracked when you overtightened the hose clamps.

What You Should Have Done: We prefer stainless-steel or bronze fittings below the waterline.

19. Plastic Through-Hulls II

What Happened: The mechanic was in the bilge repairing the engine. While trying to get better leverage to force a rusted bolt free, he wedged his foot against a through-hull. He pushed and it cracked.

What You Should Have Done: Stick with stainless steel or bronze below the waterline. And use a better mechanic.

20. Transom-Mount Transducers

What Happened: You were smart to use bolts instead of screws to mount the transducer to the transom. But over the years the transducer has gotten nudged, hit, and smacked so often that the bedding compound loosened and enlarged the boltholes enough for water to seep in.

What You Should Have Done: Caulking and bedding compounds don’t last forever. Check every year and rebed every four years.

21. Through-Hull Transducers

What Happened: When hauling, the straps from the sling put pressure on the transducer, which disturbed the bedding and widened the hole.

What You Should Have Done: Properly installed transducers have large backing plates to distribute the stress of an impact. This one didn’t. Or you can mount the transducer within the hull so there are no exposed parts.

22. Corrosion

What Happened: Over the years, the dissimilar metals below the waterline have been eating each other-giving them an internal structure that’s similar to Swiss cheese. Eventually, a slight nudge caused one to fail.

What You Should Have Done: Again, we prefer that stainless steel or bronze be used below the waterline. But no matter what, all metals must be protected. If your bronze seacock is turning pink, it’s falling apart. All underwater fittings should be bonded to each other with a number 10-gauge green wire, and sacrificial zincs should be used. Check annually.

23. Speedometer Plug

What Happened: Good move pulling the Pitot tube for a cleaning. Too bad you forgot to plug the hole.

What You Should Have Done: Vitamin E supposedly helps the memory. Even with a plug, you can get a leak. Rubber O-rings can deform or come loose from their tracks. Put some grease on the rings to ensure long life and a good seal.

24. Stern Drive Mounting Bolt

What Happened: The holes on the engine-mounting bracket below the waterline leaked due to weeping. The stainless-steel bolts inside the transom corroded due to sitting in stagnant water. This is called crevice corrosion.

What You Should Have Done: Check the drive bolts often. Double-check the seal.

25. Hose Slips Off Seacock Nipple

What Happened: After a day of wave bashing, the shakes and vibrations worked a hose off an open seacock.

What You Should Have Done: If there’s room to put two hose clamps on each fitting, do it. Have the excess ring material exit in a different direction on each.

26. Rubrails

What Happened: From too many bangs against pilings, the screws, bolts, rivets, or adhesive that holds the rubrail in place has come loose. Plow into too many head seas or sit through a rainstorm and water will get below.

What You Should Have Done: At the end of each season, walk around the boat blasting the hull-to-deck joint with a hose. Have someone inside to watch for leaks.

27. Muffler Rot

What Happened: Water sat in a low point and rotted the muffler. Waves at the dock came in the transom exhaust ports and went directly into the boat.

What You Should Have Done: Feel under the mufflers or risers for moisture. They will ooze dampness months before giving way.

28. Frozen Muffler

What Happened: The drain plug on the bottom of the muffler or riser was removed but not replaced. Or you didn’t drain them and the ice did its worst.

What You Should Have Done: Drain the water, but don’t unscrew the plug and then go for drinks while it drains. You’ll forget to put it back in.

29. Drain Plug

What Happened: You forgot to put in the transom drain plug when launching. Join the club. You’re an idiot like the rest of us.

What You Should Have Done: Don’t be an idiot-install a high-water alarm.

30. Hit By Another Boat

What Happened: The guy in the slip next to you hit your bow while tying to a dock. This forced the bolted-on swim platform on your boat to bang the bulkhead and loosen the bolts, which started to weep enough so that by the next morning all you saw was the VHF radio antenna.

What You Should Have Done: Do a Jackie Chan on the clown who smacked your boat. Then string him up by his nose hairs. There are some sinkings that just can’t be prevented.

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Luxury yacht sinks after fire; explosions heard on video

LOS ANGELES ( KABC ) — A high-end yacht docked at Marina del Rey sank after catching on fire Wednesday night.

The fire in Basin A was first reported around 8:30 p.m., according to the Los Angeles County Fire Department. Firefighters responded and poured water on the 100-foot vessel from the dock at the end of Bora Bora Way.

Witness video captured the sounds of several explosions as firefighters battled the flames.

But the interior flames appeared to resist the water hoses and the boat continued sustaining damage. It quickly began taking on water from the hoses as the flames, possibly fueled by a gas source, continued to burn.

The yacht began listing, and by around 10:30 p.m. firefighters were ordered to evacuate the dock. The boat began slowly overturning onto its side and sinking into the water.

There were no major injuries reported. Two people on board exited safely, though one reported a minor cut to the arm.

There was no word on how the fire started. Authorities said it’s possible ammunition was on board the vessel.

The boat is named The Admiral, but the identity of the owner was not immediately available.

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Will this make my boat sink?

  • Thread starter Grunt_Sculpin
  • Start date Aug 28, 2007

Grunt_Sculpin

Seaman apprentice.

  • Aug 28, 2007

Hey everyone....got a dumb question....I installed a transducer on my new GPS Fishfinder the other day and I started thinking about it after the fact....Will the screws that are holding the transducer and cable attached to the boat take on small amounts of water? I put a marine grade caulking in the pre-drilled holes and then put the screws in and these are also short screws that only go in about an inch but I know that it is far enough to go past the gell coat and into the foam of the boat (It is a fiberglass boat). They are not far enough in to penetrate the inside of the boat though. Will this take on small amounts of water that might saturate the foam in some way causing damage over time? Thanks in advance!  

Petty Officer 1st Class

Re: Will this make my boat sink? put sealant over the screws as well  

studlymandingo

studlymandingo

Re: Will this make my boat sink? The marine grade sealant is the proper stuff to keep it from leaking.​  

  • Aug 29, 2007

Re: Will this make my boat sink? I had a nasty leak a week ago and traced it back to the screw holes for my transducer in the transom. I filled the holes with silicone and put the screws back and now there is no water at all in my bilge. So yes they can leak if you do not seal them corrctly, but it sounds like you did the right thing.  

RubberFrog

Rear Admiral

Re: Will this make my boat sink? Duec66- silicone is the worst thing you can use anywhere on a boat. Take the screws out, remove all of the silicone and replace it with 3m 4200.  

Re: Will this make my boat sink? These screws do not go all the way through the boat so would the water still be able to end up in the boat? Do you think the foam inside the boat would stop the water from going any further? Thanks!  

PondTunes

Re: Will this make my boat sink? You don't want waterlogged foam.. If the hull is breached and water is seeping in the foam will soak it up and never dry out, if left unchecked it will eventually cause the boat to sit lower in the water from all the extra water weight. Use the 3m stuff and seal it up.  

Re: Will this make my boat sink? Some people are unaware that marine grade sealants actually expand slightly when curing as regular sealants do not and may actually shrink slightly. Always use a good quality marine grade sealant by putting some in the holes, on the screw threads, and around the head of the screw.  

Re: Will this make my boat sink? If I take the screws out and reapply the sealant will I have to use bigger screws? I had a hard enough time getting the screws in. Thanks!  

jtexas

Fleet Admiral

Re: Will this make my boat sink? no need for bigger screws in most cases. The floatation foam used in boat manufacture is a closed cell foam, it takes prolonged exposure for it to become waterlogged (which it will do, eventually, probably). Bigger problem is your transom is probably wood core, any exposure to water means trouble down the road - even if you seal it back up - best to treat the wood with something that will kill the rot. I've heard glycol is great for that.  

  • Sep 1, 2007

Re: Will this make my boat sink? agree w/ others, use 4200 or 5200 seal when installing screws and a little more over the top of them. next time, cut a small piece of starboard, 1/2" thick, and mount the transducer to that. then use 4200 or 5200 to mount the whole thing to your hull. no holes in your hull.  

_brad_

Petty Officer 2nd Class

Re: Will this make my boat sink? What about this stuff? I bought a whole thing and have used very little.. Kill two birds with one stone?  

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You are here, depth transducer location.

Hi - I have a Raymarine I 50 tri-data connected to an Airmar P319 depth transducer.  Looks like the current transducer was installed in 2015.  The transducer is located under my galley sink. 

I get a lot of false readings and shallow water alarms that are annoying. I do not think I had all these shallow water alarms when I first got the boat in 2017 - not totally sure about that.

The Airmar install guide does not recommend installing behind the keel on a sailboat where mine is located.  Based on my research the best location for a depth transducer is in front of the keel on the center line.  

Do other C36s have depth transducers located under the galley sink?  Is this a decent location for the depth transducer?  

Do I need to move my depth transducer?  

Any other suggestions to get my depth transducer working better?  

Thanks 

Greg S/V Bardo Hull # 828  Seattle, WA  

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Yes, definitely in front of the keel. It must be in undisturbed water. If there are strong currents below it reads that depth as if the sound was bouncing of the land, even when installed in front of the keel.

Sail La Vie 1999 Catalina 36 MKII, M35B-17031, Coyote Point, San Mateo, CA About Sail La Vie  

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Ours (from what I can tell, the original) is under the galley sink as well.  Never had issues...

Matthew Chachère s/v ¡Que Chévere! (Formerly 1985 C36 MKI #466 tall rig fin keel M25) 2006 Catalina Morgan 440 #30. Homeported in eastern Long Island, NY

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Depth sounder installed in front of keel near the paddle wheel speedlog.

Durk Nijdam S/V "SILER" Catalina 36MKII - 2001 / hullnr. 2013 Stavoren - Holland

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Our's is positioned the same as Durk's. Do you have paint or growth build up? Both can impact performance.

Paul & Wendy Keyser "First Light" Rye NH 2005 C36 MKII #2257 Wing, M35B

Reviving this thread a bit - we have same location, under the galley, but are updating this season. Reading above and also asking online - while preference seems to be relocate them, the responses are less then overwhelming. For those with Galley locations, anyone else finding weird readings and worth relocating? Its seems our old (about to be replaced) speed transducer was faster, but not sure if it was in great shape otherwise. 

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My transducer on the 1985 C-36 ft was aft of the transmission.  It gave out mid-season.  I replaced with an Airmar transducer similar to this one:    P95M Chirp-ready In‑hull | AIRMAR

I was able to do it while the boat was in the water.  I mounted it off the center line about where the mast is, but under the starboard cabin adjacent to the mast in the saloon.  While not the perfect location, it works fine.  No worries about hull leakage and readily accessible by removing one drawer.  A good compromise.  If you have the long keel, the offset is 4' 4".

Best regards,

Lou Bruska Sojourn 1985 C-36 Mk-I TR #495 Eldean Shipyard Lake Macatawa (Holland, MI) Lake Michigan [email protected]

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A Somerville youth hockey team was having a good time aboard the La Bella Vita boat when the vessel hit a cluster of rocks near the island. A hole was ripped in the hull of the boat.

The marine towing company, Sea Tow, responded and worked to try to recover the boat that ran aground. Though police said crews stabilized the vessel, they were not able to fully salvage it. 

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A Sea Tow representative said crews plan to return to Rainsford Island as soon as possible in hopes of towing the boat to shore.

The Massachusetts Environmental Police had assumed control of the investigation into the incident.

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Seven people were confirmed dead, and 56 people were missing, UN IOM spokesperson Safa Msehli told ABC News in a statement. People missing at sea are presumed dead.

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transducer location

  • Thread starter tgrayson
  • Start date Dec 29, 2019
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where would the best place to install a transducer be on a mac venture 17 swing keel  

What kind of transducer? Speed or Depth? or a Single SDT transducer. In general transducers should be mounted in an area where the water is not turbulent. This would eliminate most areas along the keel/centerboard, off the transom and behind the keel/CB. That leaves the area in front of the keel. for a variety of reasons, the transducer should be mounted as close to the centerline as possible and pointing directly down.  

would like to put an in hull transducer for a depth finder,in front of the keel sounds good,thanks  

tgrayson said: would like to put an in hull transducer for a depth finder,in front of the keel sounds good,thanks Click to expand

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rgranger

V-berth I installed one on a Mac v22 once. I pushed it into a wad of plumbers putty. it was meant as a temp to see if the location worked but two years later I still had not replaced the putty with something more permanent  

good idea , I'll give it a try  

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rgranger said: V-berth I installed one on a Mac v22 once. I pushed it into a wad of plumbers putty. it was meant as a temp to see if the location worked but two years later I still had not replaced the putty with something more permanent Click to expand
Project_Mayhem said: My boat came with an old speed sensor in the bow. After launch I found a small trickle of water from it. The water pressure prevented most of the common marine sealants and putties from working. Not wanting to pay to have the boat forklifted in and out of the water I tried plumber's putty. Little by little I was able to reduce the flow. It was able to eliminate it for a few months. The bow was a bit wet at the end of the season indicating that the plumbers putty was allowing water through. Regardless, It saved me $200, I now carry two tubes on-board and I know the stuff could get me out of a jam someday. One more pre-launch project to take care of in the spring... The Norcross/Hawkeye transducer that I bought has a slanted mounting surface to help keep the transducer level despite the angle of the hull. Click to expand
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    The Airmar install guide does not recommend installing behind the keel on a sailboat where mine is located. Based on my research the best location for a depth transducer is in front of the keel on the center line. Do other C36s have depth transducers located under the galley sink? Is this a decent location for the depth transducer?

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    The actual transducer was removed before the boat was hauled dor the survey and it was not replaced afterwards. Joe. Jun 1, 2004 ... no big deal.. boat isn't gonna sink. Terry Cox. Dec 25, 2000 5,803 Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA Mar 12, 2019 #3 Different model here, but ours has no flap. So, when I pull the transducer out and replace it ...

  28. Sinking of the Moskva

    In February 2022, the Moskva left the Port of Sevastopol to participate in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. [3] The ship was later used against the Ukrainian armed forces during the attack on Snake Island, together with the Russian patrol boat Vasily Bykov. [4] Moskva hailed the island's garrison over the radio and demanded its surrender, receiving the now-famous reply "Russian warship, go ...

  29. Moskva sinking: Ukrainian missile, or accidental fire

    Ukraine claims that it hit Moskva with missiles, causing it to sink. Russia has insisted the reason for the sinking was a fire. On Friday, the United States supported Ukraine's account, with a ...

  30. transducer location

    Speed or Depth? or a Single SDT transducer. In general transducers should be mounted in an area where the water is not turbulent. This would eliminate most areas along the keel/centerboard, off the transom and behind the keel/CB. That leaves the area in front of the keel. for a variety of reasons, the transducer should be mounted as close to ...