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Cruisers Yachts 390 Express Coupe

• By Kevin Falvey
• Updated: March 2, 2015

It was about halfway through my sea trial of the Cruisers Yachts 390 Express Coupe, while motoring in a rather choppy Lower Bay south of New York City, that a memory of the mantra from an old TV beer commercial hit me like a rogue wave: Tastes great! Less filling! Like the brew in the ad, the 390 EC proved possession of two features generally thought incompatible.

Open cockpit! Climate controlled!

Every boat’s a compromise, right? Well, yeah. But check out the key elements Cruisers Yachts developed to ensure that the 390 EC serves both as a day boat and a cruiser.

For one thing, it features an accordionlike Taylor Made sunshade that is like nothing I have seen before. Closed, it thwarts rain. Open it up and the sky’s the limit. The space vacated grants the 390 EC a 42-square-foot skylight opening, the largest in its class, according to Cruisers Yachts. Compared with the retracting skylights aboard some boats I have tested, this one doesn’t rattle or create a whistle when it’s open while underway.

Compliment-inducing as that sunshade might be, I was also impressed with the windshield. This is a rope-thick piece of curved glass spanning the beam of the helm and delivering an unobstructed view. It’s important to the 390 EC’s mission to note that the vista is afforded whether piloting the 390 EC or reclining on the companion lounge. Stand by.

Now, if you haven’t yet noticed from gawking at the pictures, the 390 EC’s side-deck access steps are forward, just abaft the helm, instead of in the typical aft location. This allows the full beam of the aft cockpit to be used for accommodation space, a fact meriting kudos all by itself. But Cruisers Yachts delivered even more boaty goodness by utilizing that extra real estate to create a seating arrangement that can take on four distinct layouts.

There is no primary seating plan. It all depends upon what the day holds in store. I came into the 390 EC over the swim platform and through a centerline walkway between two L-shaped lounges. But during the course of our photo shoot, I changed the layout by sliding the portside L-lounge to starboard and creating a U-shaped seating area, served by a table at which six could sit. Then I dropped the folding wenge cockpit table ($2,405 with fillers) and lay down the aft backrests, turning the seating into a sun lounge. The fourth iteration manifests itself by leaving the aft backrests erect and deploying the kickstands that prop the forward seat bottoms at an angle so as to create chaiselike backrests, thus creating an encircled “playpen” lounge.

I should mention that the cockpit sole is all one level for ease of access from transom to companionway. Also, there is a bow chaise lounge optionally available ($5,020) and our tester sported the complete wet bar with the grill ($1,890) and the refrigerator ($2,920).

Putting it all together, you open the sunshade and create a breeze-filled cockpit with seating for about a dozen, or lounging for six, or quiet reading at anchor for two, or … You can entertain to suit the crowd du jour.

Now close the sunshade. In fact, put up the weather curtains. These enclose the helm and companion lounge so you can enjoy protection from the weather en route to a weekend getaway. Because the hardtop extends aft of the drop curtain, if you leave one zipper unzipped, you can dash out to the transom platform, or up and around the side decks to the bow, without any canvas in your way. It’s very seamanlike, and the boat that was yesterday’s darling at the dock is today appreciated for the comfort provided in making a big water crossing.

Comfort is delivered via ride quality too. Test day’s blustery weather kept our helicopter grounded “on call” and us on station in a steadily building chop. In those gray whitecaps, the Cruisers Yachts 390 EC fared well. Landings were soft — pounding more an expectation than an occurrence. The 390 EC felt buoyant. Running down-sea, it tracked admirably straight. Weight savings in the form of balsa-core construction, resin infusion, and careful materials and accessories selection help it to achieve excellent speed and performance. For example, we hit 40.3 mph powered by twin 430 hp MerCruiser 8.1 HO Bravo Three X Axius Premier sterndrives. But as the seas built to those described, we were most comfortable at about 22 mph.

Belowdecks, the 390 EC offers a full-beam aft master stateroom — the only boat so arranged in this size class. Eight hull-side windows (they’re actually one long window per side with masks: cool, huh?) and a skylight under the windshield work together to ensure this designer cabin’s lightness and airiness.

You might compare the 390 EC to Beneteau’s GT 38 ($358,900 with twin 300 hp Volvo Penta D4 diesel sterndrives) or the Sea Ray 370 Sundancer ($468,712 with twin 380 hp MerCruiser gasoline sterndrives). You might. But the Cruisers Yachts 390 EC combines a unique set of features that we’ve yet to see another builder replicate.

Comparable models: Beneteau GT 38, Sea Ray 370 Sundancer

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Cruisers Yachts 390 Express Coupe

• By Kevin Falvey
• Updated: March 17, 2015

The Cruisers Yachts 390 Express Coupe melds the entertainment value of an express cruiser with the cover and cruising ability of a coupe, creating a fully satisfying yachting experience.

First, the amidships master stateroom with en suite head offers the capaciousness of the 390 EC’s 12-foot-9-inch beam bedecked in the luxury of designer fixtures, fittings and fabrics. At press time, she remains the only “40-footer” offering such digs.

Next, the steps to access the helm, and the side deck access steps, are pushed forward, providing more width — as well as more length — in the cockpit and increasing the overall amount of topside accommodations space.

The port and starboard L-shaped seating arrangements have aft-facing, flip-up lounge seating and plentiful stowage underneath. Astutely designed, the portside seating can slide to centerline and join the starboard seating to fashion a large, U-shaped seating arrangement with a comfortable dining atmosphere for six adults. I recommend the optional sun-lounge package, which includes the cockpit table with filler cushions and power-actuated backrests. You can create a massive sun bed with chaises that face fore or aft, all at the touch of a button and the push of a lever. No matter how you array the aft seating, you retain wide egress and access to the swim platform. It’s like having three layouts in one.

Now, if there’s one feature that most makes the 390 EC an “express coupe,” it’s the hardtop. This covers the helm, companion lounge and wet bar area, creating an upper salon. The effect is achieved with a fixed-frame hardtop superstructure and a full front frameless window with unrestricted visibility.

But Cruisers Yachts, a builder long known for quality rigging and engineering excellence, also achieved the openness of an express boat with a sunroof totaling 42 square feet of opening. Taylor Made Products worked with Cruisers Yachts to fabricate the sunroof, whose mechanism is silky and whose materials are top-rate. Operation was flawless, and neither rattle nor wracking were in evidence during my open-water trial.

Belowdecks, you’ll find a cruising chef’s galley with two-burner stove, microwave, refrigerator, freezer, and both drawer and overhead stowage. A skylight allows atriumlike lighting throughout the salon, galley and head. The full-beam, amidships master stateroom previously mentioned also affords standing headroom, a queen berth and a portside settee. There is stowage in the full-length, cedar-lined hanging locker.

Forward, the full-beam dinette seating with stowage converts into a second stateroom that sleeps two. Optional flip-up backrests can create two more berths. Guests will enjoy exceptional natural lighting throughout thanks to post-glazed hull glass extending from the bow to amidships.

The Cruisers Yachts 390 EC starts at $628,035 and boasts innovation and excellence. She should make the short list of those seeking a two-couple cruiser that ably performs double duty as a day boat.

Cruisers Yachts, 920-834-2211; cruisersyachts.com

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The 2017 Cruisers Yachts 390 Express Coupe is currently available for sale in Drummond Island Michigan. This boat has a price of $399,000. Our team at Seattle Yachts is here to help you find the right boat for your needs, budget, and style. We have access to boats off the market that will never be seen online, so contact us today with your interest.

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The motivated owners are looking to downsize and are willing to consider a trade.

"With ample room to both play and relax, the 39 Express Coupe is the yacht ideal for family cruising. Aboard you'll find plenty of comfortable seating and space to entertain, warm interior accents, and all of the amenities" - Cruisers Yachts

The 390 EC is one of the most versatile yachts available today and difficult to find on the used market. She boasts a full-beam aft stateroom with privacy door. V- berth features four bunks when not used as the dinette. The cockpit seating can be split to maximize space or joined at mealtime for all to sit together. LED lighting everywhere, premium stereo system and a cockpit entertainment center that features a sink, refrigerator and cooking surface.. This boat is a must see. Excellent condition and currently stored inside for easy viewing.

2021 Sea Doo 3-person Waverunner is available separately.

FEATURED EQUIPMENT

• Hardtop with Fiberglass Slider
• Extended Swim Platform
• Cockpit Entertainment Center
• Generator with Sound Shield
• Foredeck Chaise Loungers
• Hurley Davit System for Waverunner

CONSTRUCTION

• Anti-Fouling Bottom Paint
• Sliding Cabin Door with Screen
• Gunwale Moulding - Stainless Steel
• Aluminum Hardtop with Power Slide Sunroof
• Welded Stainless Steel Bow Rail
• Integrated Swim Platform with Ladder
• Electric Windlass
• Bilge Pumps
• Bilge Blowers
• Fire Extinguisher System - Automatic
• Oil Change System
• Anchor Washdown System.

CABIN FEATURES

• CruisAir 16k BTU AC/Heat
• Ultraleather Interior Seating
• Hi-Lo Dinette Table
• Dinette with Flip-Up Bunks
• Central Vacuum System
• Salon Flooring, Amtico, Walnut
• Cabin Entry Treads

GALLEY FEATURES

• Solid Surface Countertops
• Microwave Oven
• Electric Stove - 2 burner
• Refrigerator

HEAD FEATURES

• Solid Surface Countertop
• Head - Centrifuge w/ Holding Tank
• Separate Shower with Bifold Door

ENTERTAINMENT FEATURES

• Salon Stereo - AM/FM MP3/iPod
• (2) Cockpit Speakers, (2) Salon Speakers
• Premium Stereo Package
• 32" TV/DVD, Aft Stateroom
• 24" TV/DVD, Salon

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• Mercruiser Axius Premium w/ Joystick, Skyhook, Autoheading
• Mercury Smartcraft with VesselView
• Double Helm Captain's Seat with Bolster
• Battery Parallel Switch
• Tilt Steering Wheel
• Digital Depth Finder
• Horn, Air Recessed
• Remote Spotlight
• Windshield Defroster
• Port and Starboard Windshield Wipers
• Garmin VHF Radio

ELECTRICAL FEATURES

• Generator - Kohler 7.5kw with Sound Shield
• Battery Charging System with Monitor

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Best of Moscow by high speed train

By shuguley , February 15, 2014 in Regent Seven Seas Cruises

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.

Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?

My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

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We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.   Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?   My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

• 4 months later...

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Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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