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| Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. | 10-09-2012, 15:57 | | Boat: New Horizons 25' | . I have not yet seen the , or any pictures, so I'm basing everything I know right now on the brief description given me by the owner. I will go look at the in two days when he is available, so I hope to know much more then, but for the time being I am looking for thoughts or on what to look for when I do inspect it. However, if it is in reasonably good condition, I would consider it; I'm just not going to walk into it with the expectation that I MUST buy the boat. I have read a couple on surveying a small sailboat, so I shouldn't be totally in the dark, and quite frankly, the asking is modest enough that if I totally blundered and purchased it and it turned out to be completely unsalvageable, I could write it off without hating myself. Obviously that would be an extreme case though. Based on the seller's description, it is not a boat, but completely ready to sail as is. are less than 24 months old, it includes the , is due a job, and has no damage. He was vague about , so I have very little expectations there. I doubt it has an . His reason for the low price was that he bought a new "Party Barge" and needed this boat gone because he had no where to store it now. Now, my ideal boat is not a 22 footer with 4' , but there are several reasons this particular style might be a very good fit for me. All of my assumptions about Venture 22's are taken from the book "Sailors Book of Small Cruising Sailboats" 2010, Henkel, and not from any actual experience, so if you have reason for me to doubt, please feel free to let me know. An unsinkable swing boat with a kick up and 2600 lb trailering weight would be easier for me to get in and out than a larger, heavier boat. My minivan can tow 3500 lb, so I wouldn't have to make extra trips to take the boat and to the lake separately. I assume I could after every sail if I desired, and a ball should cost around $500 a year if I decided to go that . The has "5" berths, and although the double v-berth and double dinette are suspect at best, my are still young enough that occasionally overnighting with them would be a real possibility. And of course, with the , we could take a tent and just pick a secluded beach to camp at as well. If the boat has a pop-top, the with it up should be 6'1" which is very manageable for me. Now I would be extremely pleased if, after the price, I could spend < $2k getting the boat ready for spring. The total would be about 1/2 the cost I had expected to get into a boat. I would be very happy working on the over the , and with a heated, indoor workspace available, would expect to have ~250 hours of time to on it if I needed it. After I see the boat, and try to take pictures, I'll let you all know what it's actual condition is at that point. | | | 10-09-2012, 16:15 | | Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad | 22' Westerly Nomad - | | | 10-09-2012, 19:06 | | Boat: New Horizons 25' | , if that's true, makes me think it has at least been used recently. | | | 10-09-2012, 19:31 | | Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad | and spongy decks, and other obvious things. Make sure that the is in decent shape. Be sure that the seller has the title! Bonded titles are a hassle! But you mentioned that you have been researching on doing your own , so I probably don't need to tell you all this. If you like it, I'd say get it. You can usually get your back out of small if you haven't overpaid for them, and it will give you some extra fun/bonding time with the kids. are a LOT cheaper for these small too! 22' Westerly Nomad - | | | 10-09-2012, 19:50 | | Boat: Pearson 365 Sloop and 9' Fatty Knees. | 10-09-2012, 20:16 | | Boat: Beneteau M500 50'3" | around the tabernacle where the is stepped you are looking for overt sponginess (usually a sign of of the glass and the core). 3, check the centreboard cable for any wear or fraying of the cable 4, check the mount on the transom for it being solid 5, check the hinge pin on the , these rudders will swell when in the and jam at the most inopportune times. 6, check the chain plates where they go through the decks, make sure all the cotter pins are in and there is no , also check the bolts in the and last but not least 7, check for and cupping on the trailer tires any cupping will be produced by bad bearings | | | 10-09-2012, 20:38 | | Boat: New Horizons 25' | I'll take a chance on a less than superb quality built boat. dsmastern, Thanks for the encouragement! Cost of parts/ownership for the smaller boat definitely was a factor in deciding to look, as was the close (<1 hour) distance to me. I wasn't planning on actually "shopping" for a boat til spring, but I decided to give this a shot since it has the potential to be a steal. | | | 10-09-2012, 23:22 | | Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad | 22', big waves 2 miles out of Biscayne Bay. | | 10-09-2012, 23:27 | | Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad | 22' Westerly Nomad - | | | 12-09-2012, 16:29 | | Boat: New Horizons 25' | 22 I looked at today. First of all, I am not going to it. Although the boat didn't seem to be a total wreck, it had been neglected badly for several years. I didn't even bother to look at the sails he brought with him, although I'll give him a kudos for storing them off the boat, since he hadn't even checked on it this calender year. I'm quite sure that anyone who has looked at old small sailboats has seen everything I'm about to describe, but I'll do it anyway, as well as post some pics. (low res, since my digital didn't and I was forced to use only my cell) First off, there was nothing special about the boat. It had no , , , , or upgrades that I could see at all. The seemed to be mostly sound, even around chainplates and stanchions, but I honestly only gave that a cursory look since by then I knew I wasn't going to buy it. The owner informed me that it leaked when it rained, and the would rise over the sole at times of heavy rain. He wasn't sure where it leaked, but my guess is everywhere, including a very ill fitting . He had no keys for the padlocks, and I was slightly worried he was trying to sell me someone else's boat. To get inside I slid the to the point where the padlock was tight and then heaved out and the plastic popped out of it's tracks. All at his direction, by the way. There was water in the bottom (Forgive me if I have the terminology wrong, but to my understanding, the small swing boats such as this don't truly have a "bilge") which had stagnated badly, and the entire inside was filthy. the were surprisingly nice looking, but I believe two were missing. The trailer was an absolute wreck, but the seller was quick to point out it was a 1990 model. Tires were dry rotted, lights were taped on or missing, all the very exposed wire was sun damaged and brittle. The bow eye had pulled out, been replaced with a u-bolt, and pulled out again. The was the only real "damage" I saw, but again, I didn't look all that hard. In retrospect I wish I had spent more time looking for soft spots on the and checking things like the keel pivot bolt and cable, just so I would have a better idea next time I go look. Hopefully the next boat will be in at least good enough shape to warrant an actual and not just a cursory look. On the positive side of things, I believe a 22' trailer sailor would be a workable size for my purposes. It may be a touch small, but the ability to easily store it and move it myself should be an acceptable off. | | | 12-09-2012, 16:41 | | Boat: 22' Westerly Nomad | lifestyle. Now that the season is nearing the end, you may find some good deals. Just keep your eyes open! 22' Westerly Nomad - | | | 12-09-2012, 17:02 | | Boat: Cal 2-30 | given above. I had the pop top model so could get some headroom at . The bow vberth is useless since most of that space contains the foam to make it unsinkable. Maybe the minivan could pull it ok but if you have a steep launch you may need another vehicle to help you retrieve it. | | | 19-09-2012, 12:56 | | Boat: 99 Island Packet 380 | and 3 genoas. I did replace the as it was too unreliable- looked like it was from the 70's also. The hulls and decks of the Ventures are thick solid glass and well built. The boat handles waves well, but really prefers light wind- less than 15 knots. I've only sailed it at a lake, so the is always gusty. Anything over 10 knots and I have the main reefed. We've never slept on the boat due to the lack of space and room. The early Ventures are great starter boats and I highly recommend them: , solid and easy to maintain. Just reduce sail early and you'll have fun. | | | 19-09-2012, 13:36 | | Boat: Mainship Pilot 34 | that old wreck twenty years ago for about $1,000. David | | | 19-09-2012, 13:38 | | Boat: Pearson 365 Sloop and 9' Fatty Knees. | | | | Thread Tools | | Rate This Thread | : | Posting Rules | post new threads post replies post attachments edit your posts is are code is are are are | Privacy Guaranteed - your email is never shared with anyone, opt out any time. Great choice! Your favorites are temporarily saved for this session. Sign in to save them permanently, access them on any device, and receive relevant alerts. Venture 222Venture 222 is a 22 ′ 0 ″ / 6.7 m monohull sailboat designed by Roger MacGregor and built by Macgregor Yacht Corp between 1971 and 1982. Rig and SailsAuxilary power, accomodations, calculations. The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more. Classic hull speed formula: Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL Sail Area / Displacement RatioA measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more. SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3 - SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
- D : Displacement in pounds.
Ballast / Displacement RatioA measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize. Ballast / Displacement * 100 Displacement / Length RatioA measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ - D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
- LWL: Waterline length in feet
Comfort RatioThis ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more. Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 ) - D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
- LOA: Length overall in feet
- Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
Capsize Screening FormulaThis formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more. CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64) Besides certain hardware, hatch types, and small rig differences, the VENTURE 22, VENTURE 222, and MACGREGOR 22 are similar. Thanks to a number of Venture/Mac owners for providing updated information. Thanks also to Sam Tricky for providing a number of corrections. Embed this page on your own website by copying and pasting this code. Discover Related SailboatsMacgregor 22©2024 Sea Time Tech, LLC This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. | | | | | |
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The MACGREGOR 22 is similar to the VENTURE 222. Photo courtesy of Adam Hunt. Sailboat Forum. View All Topics: ... Like the LWL, it will vary with the weights of fuel, water, stores and equipment. A boat's actual draft is usually somewhat more than the original designed or advertised draft. For boats with adjustable keels (centerboards ...
The MacGregor 22 is an American trailerable sailboat that was designed by Roger MacGregor as a cruiser and first built in 1967. [ 1 ] [ 2 ] [ 3 ] The design was developed into the Venture 222 in 1971, with just some minor changes.
MacGregor 22 vs. Catalina 22. We''re looking for our first weekend lake sailer and have narrowed it down to an ''84 MacGregor 22 or an ''84 Catalina 22, both well-maintained. The MacGregor is much lighter--1800 lbs. vs. 2490 lbs, so easier to trailer and launch (draws only 6" with swingkeel up) but has built-in flotation--which does take away ...
Venture 22 is a 22′ 0″ / 6.7 m monohull sailboat designed by Roger MacGregor and built by Macgregor Yacht Corp between 1968 and 1971. ... VENTURE 222, and MACGREGOR 22 are all very similar. Suggest Improvements Source: sailboatdata.com / CC BY. Embed Embed. View Demo. Embed this page on your own website by copying and pasting this code.
Bolt it to the hinged mast step with a 1/4" x 4" bolt and lock (nylon insert) nut. The 1/4" bolt hole in the mast is near the spreaders. Put a rubber washer on the bolt on each side of the mast to keep it from wearing on the hinged mast step. Make sure the nut is tight. If it comes off, things could get very bad.
Today, with some 36,000 sailboat hulls behind it, the company builds just one boat, the hybrid sailboat/powerboat MacGregor 26x. Although MacGregor sold fewer Venture 21s than its successor—the Venture 22, which later became the pop-top Venture 22-2—the 21's easy trailerability and affordable price helped it maintain its popularity ...
MacGregor Venture 222 Yeopium river, hertford Nc. Feb 16, 2015. #1. sail boat needs :smaller the better 18' to 23' shallow water 3to 4ft at pier most time can blow out 1 to2 ft deep . cabin over night for 2 people 2 dogs, swing keel , stable , easy to sail and learn on, sea worthy the sound gets bad in little time .
The Venture 22 is a 22.0ft masthead sloop designed by Roger MacGregor and built in fiberglass by Macgregor Yacht Corp between 1968 and 1971. The Venture 22 is an ultralight sailboat which is a very high performer. It is reasonably stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized.
1976 MacGregor 22 Venture. Colorado Springs, Colorado, United States. Listed Jan 14. Expired. $13,950 USD. Save. Share. Share. SMS. Email. Facebook. Twitter. ... very firm and secure This MacGregor includes a Furling 135% Jib sail, stock Mainsail, spare Genoa sail (all in primo condition). A correct size anchor with chain & 50' line.
Location: Alexandria VA. Boat: Macgregor 22, "Skald". Posts: 43. Restoration: Venture 22 (MacGregor) So I picked up a little 22' Mac, in decent shape outside, pretty rotten inside, for a mere $300 a couple months ago. While I've rented sailboats for years, grew up on the water as a kid, this is my first large boat I've owned myself.
This group is specifically for MacGregor and Venture 22 & 2-22 sailing yachts from the late 1960's through the mid 1980's. Discuss and share stories, sailing tips, problems, repairs, photos, mods,... MacGregor Venture 22 & 2-22 owners
The Venture 22 is an American trailerable sailboat that was designed by Roger MacGregor as a cruiser and first built in 1968. [ 1 ] [ 2 ] [ 3 ] The Venture 22 and the similar MacGregor 22 were developed into the Venture 222 in 1971.
Truckee, California. Year 1984. Make Macgregor. Model Venture 22. Category -. Length 22'. Posted Over 1 Month. 1984 Macgregor Venture 22, McGregor Venture 22 sailboat very well maintained. Honda 4 stroke 8HP motor and trailer.Newly refurbished mainsail and jib and cushions $3500.
Downloads for the Macgregor 22. Macgregor / Venture 22 owners manual (379 Kb) uploaded by Anam_C. Contact.
Oldest first. S. SailNet Archive Discussion starter. 87689 posts · Joined 1999. #2 · Jun 30, 2006 (Edited) The Venture is the name Roger MacGregor used before he decided to use his name on a successful boat. The original design was a project in college. He eventually knew he had something good and put his own name on it.
The MACGREGOR 22 is similar to the VENTURE 222. Embed this page on your own website by copying and pasting this code. Macgregor 22 is a 22′ 0″ / 6.7 m monohull sailboat designed by Roger MacGregor and built by Macgregor Yacht Corp between 1967 and 1975.
Hank-on / 5.0 Dacron, full hoist (newer Venture 222 / M22 style) This size sail was used by MacGregor on newer V-222 and M-22 models but will also fit older V-21, V-22 and all years of M-21 if you want a full hoist jib with more sail area than the original sail without going to a 150% Genoa.
22' MacGregor. 22 Venture. 1976. 22'. $ 13,950. Stock #233646 - 1976 MACGREGOR VENTURE 22 SLOOP SAILBOAT EASILY TRAILERABLE TRAILER IS INCLUDED FRESHWATER ONLYWe are looking for people all over the country who share our love for boats. If you have a passion for our product and like the idea of working from home, please visit SellBoatsAndRVs ...
MacGregor Yacht Co. was founded by Roger MacGregor in 1961 as part of class project while he was an MBA student at the University of California. Located in southern California. The first boat was a small catamaran, but the product line consisted mainly of small, trailerable sailing yachts, from a 15-foot (4.6 m) catamaran to 17-foot (5.2 m) pocket cruisers, up to 26-foot water ballasted ...
Macgregor preowned sailboats for sale by owner. Macgregor used sailboats for sale by owner. Home. ... Sailboat Added 22-Dec-2022 More Details: Macgregor Venture 21: Length: 21' Beam: 6.83' Draft: 5.50' ... Macgregor Venture 22: Length: 22' Beam: 9' Draft: 1' Year: 1976: Type: daysailer: Hull:
ForeverDes. Registered User. Join Date: Aug 2012. Location: Indiana. Boat: New Horizons 25'. Posts: 189. MacGregor Venture 22. I have an opportunity to buy a MacGregor/Venture 22 for a very inexpensive price. I have not yet seen the boat, or any pictures, so I'm basing everything I know right now on the brief description given me by the owner.
Venture 222 is a 22′ 0″ / 6.7 m monohull sailboat designed by Roger MacGregor and built by Macgregor Yacht Corp between 1971 and 1982. ... and small rig differences, the VENTURE 22, VENTURE 222, and MACGREGOR 22 are similar. Thanks to a number of Venture/Mac owners for providing updated information. Thanks also to Sam Tricky for providing a ...
The first version was called the VENTURE 25. With relatively few changes, it became the MACGREGOR 25 (around 1980). With more than 7000 boats sold, it's one of the most popular models from this builder. Masthead Rig: I: 28.3'. J: 9.75'. P: 24.5'. E: 10.5'. Photo of Venture 25 courtesy Adam Hunt.